Michael
says:
Hey
Michael says:
I'm back
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
hi
Michael says:
Any thing new.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
working on the chat .... think it will be done when I get back from my "vacation"
on wednesday ....
Michael says:
Where're you going?
Michael says:
So the chat is like a Java client we'll get from you?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
down to visit a friend
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yes
Michael says:
Does it use a server of is it peer to peer?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
the package has both client and server, someone will run the server and all
others will connect to him * ZChat is currently not supported
by DreamOS
Michael says:
Ok.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
¨no peer to peer, all comm goes via the server
Michael says:
We should include this program in the OS, it could be a nice feature.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
hehehe .... but the I will have to add features I won't put in 1.0 .... like
ability to talk in separate channels, and peer to peer communication
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
besides, I think Java is too big memory footprint to run on a DC
Michael says:
So I'm assuming you know network programming them?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yeah,a bit
Michael says:
We could always port your Java code to C++.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
although I prefer to do it in C
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
it's just for GUI things I use Java
Michael says:
Then we could skip the GUI and keep it command line in the Alpha version.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
heh
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yeah, you're right, some kind of chat would be nice to have ......
Michael says:
Then overlay X in the Beta version until we write our own GUI
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
heh
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
think own gui is better than try to hack in X
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
_if_ we can get X to run, that would be very good thing, but I think it wants
too much memory
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
ouch .... have to go to work in 4 hrs .....
Michael says:
True, it could also be written specifically for embedded.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
think I'm gonna be sick today )
Michael says:
What time is it now?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
12:30 AM
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
I think we should try to have an OS interface to test which functionality exists,
since different platforms will have different environs ... ie, if you don't
have a keyboard, the gui should be very heavy, but if you have KB, we can use
command line to save RAM
Michael says:
Good idea, we can have the OS detect the platforms features than customize the
interface accordingly.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yes
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
and provide a good interface other programs can use as well to behave nicely
.....
Michael says:
What do you mean?
Michael says:
Oh, you mean the OS will control other programs interfaces.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yes
Michael says:
Would that work for non ported programs.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
the OS knows better than the program what this particular machine is good at,
so the OS should decide most layout things
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
not sure .... we have to have a compatibility layer too i'm afraid
Michael says:
We might need a tool the rewrites the apps interface in RAM.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
the really best thing is if we could get our GUI API to be used on computers
as well
Michael says:
API, don't know what it is?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
the interface programs use when they want the OS to do something for them, like
open a file or something
Michael says:
Oh, ok.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
API=Application Programming Interface
Michael says:
So the layer between the OS and the App.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yes
Michael says:
The GUI will be a huge job, everything will have to be drawn by code.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yes
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
but most consoles will have pretty advanced GFX chips that we can use
Michael says:
Yeah, like Xbox, it uses nVidia doesn't it?
Michael says:
And an Intel processor.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
don't know exactly, but ....
Michael says:
iPaqs also have some pretty cool specs.
Michael says:
They have more RAM than the Dreamcast.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
heh
Michael says:
Palms may be a challenge, they don't really follow the PC specs.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
heh
Michael says:
Same as if you did it on a Mac.
Michael says:
Different architecture.
Michael says:
So much for the meeting, maybe the four people that are usually on should just
start and the others can through in ideas and write parts as they like.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yeah, I think that would be best idea
Michael says:
I asked people for their consensus a week and a half ago and half the people
still haven't responded.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
mmmm
Michael says:
Of the people that have all but Subbu think we should write it from scratch.
Michael says:
He thinks we should port.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yeah ......
Michael says:
I'm going to remove Subramaniam because he quit.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
OK
Michael says:
Ok, Rohit wants to write from scratch.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
yeah .... think that's best too
Michael says:
Ok, we're just waiting on Amit L. and Naren.
Michael says:
So we've got 6:1 for writing the Os and two unkown.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
mmmm
Michael says:
What's our definition of embedded.
Michael says:
We'll need to decide that to decide on whether a device should run the OS or
not.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
dunno really ..... maybe "everything that people don't think of as a computer"
Michael says:
Or... devices that can't be consumer built
Michael says:
Except laptops.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
or we could say "devices with limited hardware"
Michael says:
That's good too.
Michael says:
BRB in 15 minutes.
Michael says:
Still here?
Michael says:
How long was I gone?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
dunno
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
I'm still coding ....
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
I think I've got it working, so now I'm trying to hammer my client class into
an applet so you can run it from the web
Michael says:
Cool. It can be our first file upload to the site. * ZChat
is still on the site for historical and future development purposes
Michael says:
Are you there Jean?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
heh
Michael says:
Hey, someone was on the phone, it cut out my 802.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
hehehe
Michael says:
Jean are you there?
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
i've posted a first version of my chat program .....
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
check your mail
Michael says:
Did anything happen while I was gone?
Mr. Bean says:
ok
Michael says:
Awesome, I'll test it with you now,
Michael says:
Where did you post it?
Michael says:
I don't have any new mail.
Michael says:
Nevermind, I do.
Mr. Bean says:
brb
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
to DC-mail ......
Michael says:
I'll post the program to the Dreamos page and make a document of the instructions.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
OK
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
it's a pity I didn't get it to run as an applet, but .....
Mr. Bean says:
wait, what's this program supposed to do?
Michael says:
Allow us to chat without MSN.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
it's a chat program that will allow us to view source code while chatting
Mr. Bean says:
ahhh, gotcha
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
and so when one person scrolls the text or highlights it, all will see it
Michael says:
We're going to integrate it into the OS, after we convert it to C++.
zaleth_81@hotmail.com says:
actually, I'm still working on the file view